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There is (outer) space for everyone - Anonymous

The Bible & Homosexuality

- Gen 19:4-5
- Jude 1:7
- 1 Cor 6:9
- 1 Tim 1:9
- Lev 18:22, 20:13
- Rom 1:26,27

Scientific Studies

+12 Dec 07 - It's in the blood
+12 July 05 - Born/made Gay
+10 May 05 - brains of gay
+19 July 04 - inherited .
+25 Oct 2003 - Gays at birth

EX - GAY testimonies

Sir Ian McKellen at CNA, SG

Selected News Articles

+5 Dec 20 law reform
+19 Nov 20Selective +Tolerance
+22 Oct 20 Tommorow the World
+27 Oct 20 Thinking Aloud +377A 05 Oct 20 Sen Craig's Guilty
+02 Oct 07 Christianity's Image
+Aug 07, Hetero voice
+Hillsong 04 Aug 07
+Today 21 July 07
+377A - 20 July 07
+377A- 15 July 07

Major statutes

Counter

The Gay Question?

 

 

 

"Let's not pretend it doesn't exist,"

Lee Kuan Yew, 24 Apr, 2007 [Reuters]

I have asked doctors this -- that you are genetically born a homosexual because that's the nature of the genetic random transmission of genes, you can't help it

Lee Kuan Yew, 21 Apr, 2007 [St James]

But what we are doing as a government is to leave people to live their own lives so long as they don't impinge on other people. I mean, we don't harass anybody.

Lee Kuan Yew, Friday, December 11th, 1998 [CNN]

 

 

 

" "We are born this way, and they are born that way, but they are like you and me," "I
PM Goh Chok Tong, 4 July 2003 [Time]


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On Apr 24, 2008, the MDA fined Channel 5, a sum of 15K for breaching rules for airing “Find and Design” show where incidentally a Gay couple and their baby was shown. A fine was expected since their Nominated MP raised this issue in Parliament for the Christian Right, although it would otherwise be unnoticed. The Government of course had to respond to the allegations since it was raised and since it was a breach irrespective of the mitigation, the law must be applied especially since another channel was fined earlier for showing a Lesbian kiss. The wording from MDA for the fine highlighting the “promotion of a gay lifestyle” was rather ironic almost as if to say that “don’t blame us, we are just doing our job”, for how would a gay couple living a monogamous relationship taking care of a baby be reflective of a Hedonistic Promiscuous “lifestyle” which the Mainstream churches has created in its image of a gay lifestyle. How could a few gay couples amongst the 95% straight couples challenge the family unit? It doesn’t, but it does force us to question our perception of gays as sinners and this is so troubling since we based our entire perception of gays on our interpretation of the bible? What if we have been wrong? Heavens forbid! “Lets not think about it” is the general attitude. This was followed by a Police raid at the Gay sauna on 25 Apr 2009, where the 74 year old attendent sustained bruises after being man handled by a much younger Police Women who insisted on entry to the private men's club. It was alleged to be a spot check and several DVDs were apparently taken as evidence.

(Mark 14:56 NKJV) For many bore false witness against Him, but their testimonies did not agree.

(Acts 6:13 NKJV) They also set up false witnesses who said, "This man does not cease to speak blasphemous words against this holy place and the law;

(Mat 12:34 NKJV) "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

It appears that the complaints by the Christian Right again triggered off some harassment to keep in line and not to go out of order. And they tried to do it with Jesus, and His disciples, always following them around, asking difficult question, see whether there were the smallest fault which they can used. And if the fault could not be found, then it would be made up. Although the Religious leaders worshipped the same God, when God Himself came down from heaven, they used all the tricks they could against Jesus and His disciples. Jesus always escaped from being cornered, and even though they tried to capture Him, they could not until the time was right for Jesus to die for us. Jesus called the Pharisees, a brood of Vipers, who were already condemned and judged. They were cunning and evil words and thoughts coming out, even though they were the most religious and law abiding, and knew the bible intimately. Jesus saw through their heart, and their evil intentions. There are many groups such as FOC, and Exodus, outwardly moral, and religious, but inwardly cunning using all means to come against the Gay Community. They called themselves ex-gay but they are actually anti-gay, twisting the scriptures, and scientific records, and using rhetoric repeated often to put down the gay community.

(Isa 58:4 NKJV) Indeed you fast for strife and debate, And to strike with the fist of wickedness. You will not fast as you do this day, To make your voice heard on high.

The Liberals got it incomplete, when they said that Homosexuality is an issue of Justice and Basic Human Rights. This is correct in a secular sense, but in a biblical context, this issue is about injustice and not only about justice. The bible seldom condemns us if we are not pro-active in pursuing a sense of fairness and equality amongst all people - to take care of the weakness and most vulnerable in society, to defend those who have been taken advantage of. This is bad enough, but far worst is to become the agents and the catalyst for injustice. I don't believe that the bible condemns us for walking pass the beggar and not helping out, but gross injustice is perpetrated when we start abusing and harassing the beggar. Christians are not supposed to join in the majority and persecute the weak and minorities. How could a righteous God answers our prayers, when the same hand then causes injustice is raised up to God to ask for answered prayers? As people of Faith who worshipped the God of Grace and Mercy, we are to stand in the gap and to protect and stand with the gay community. Instead, we become their greatest antagonist.

(Isa 59:1-4 NKJV) Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, That it cannot save; Nor His ear heavy, That it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear For your hands are defiled with blood, And your fingers with iniquity; Your lips have spoken lies, Your tongue has muttered perversity. No one calls for justice, Nor does any plead for truth. They trust in empty words and speak lies; They conceive evil and bring forth iniquity.

In the recent United Methodist General Conference 2008 in USA, the Conference voted 55 to 45% in favor of maintaining their anti-gay position. When you vote, you are raising up your hands to a particular cause or position. I believe today, the entire Methodist Church as a whole is implicated and when we voted, we have taken upon iniquity. Our hands become filled with blood of those who died because they were bashed up because of their sexuality, of those who had taken their own lives because of the church' condemnation, of the suffering of many in the GLBT community whop had suffered pain, isolation, rejected because of the the Christian Church. The guilt is upon our hands. They could have not voted on it, but when they did, they enter into and become part of injustice instead of being part of the solution. Apparently, the vote came through because of gifts given to the African and Asian Christians in the name of "hospitality" bordering on corruption. As Isa 59:3 says "Our lips have spoken lies". They went out of the way, to speak forth lies to get the votes. Evil were conceived in their minds and it brought forth more pain and suffering .

As Christians, we are supposed to act in the total opposite, to call for justice against any discrimination against the gay community, nor did we plead for the truth that being gay is a given. The Anti-Gay movement led by Christians continually speak out lies against the Gay Community. When we claim to be Christian, we act on behalf of Christ. However, when we as a community of faith, do the opposite and not stand up to the ideals that Jesus fought for until His very life was taken from it by the religious majority, but instead stand on the side of those who persecuted Him, we have lost that precious connection to know the heart of God. And when we see the Cross of Calvary, where Jesus sufferred and died, facing the abuse of the religious right, were you there to see His suffering, to feel the depth of pain yet mingled with the depth of love. Are you willing to be there, to stand beside Jesus, willing to go to the Cross, to stand up and plead for justice and truth. At the Cross of Calvary, the majority deserted Jesus, but you know, those that Jesus ministered to, the Outcasts were weeping and crying. They cried, for they loved Jesus and felt the pain, the anguish of Christ who loved them so when non would stand nor plead for them.. cont ....

Current


27 Apr 08 - Freedom in facts
19 Apr 08 - Proclaim Christ
12 Apr 08 - Avoid Fundies
05 Apr 08 - Dear Lord Forgive
29 Mar 08 - We shall overcome
21 Mar 08 -Religious extremism
15 Mar 08 - Sodom and Gaylang
08 Mar 08 - Freedom to love again
23 Feb 08 - the lost voice
17 Feb 08 - Holiness belongs to God
03 Feb 08 - "and yet it moves"
27 Jan 08 - greatest threat to biblical culture
20 Jan 08 - Stumbling Block at NCC
13 Jan 08 - Gospels seldom mention Gays?
06 Jan 2008 - It's all about love

20 Oct 2007 - no longer looks like Jesus
377A - IMF 31
377A - Do you know What spirit you are of

 

 

Favorites

27 Jan 07: The Story of a Sinful Church
30 Sept 06 Giving thanks - Freedom in Christ
22 July 06: Nicodemus, Night seeker
06 Aug 06 The Eunuch Seeker -
29 Apr 06: Jesus' last sermon -
11 Feb 06: Brokeback Mountain
07 Jan 06: Would the Church open the door for Jesus?
09 Oct 05: Gay innocent Lost sheep
10 Sept 05: Gay lifestyle Hurricane Katrina,
03 Sept 05: David & Jonathan - A Gay love story
18 Aug 05: The Gay Beatitudes
07 Aug 05: Apostle John - the lover of Jesus
23 June 05:
Apostle Paul & Romans -
19 June 05: Gay evangelism,
28 May 05
: Paul the Gay Apostle
12 Apr 05: Jesus takes special care of Gays

Roy Clement articles

+Holiness, Tradition and the Pharisees
+Sex in the City
+Evangelicals, Hypocrisy, and +Pharisees
+On Living with our Falibility
+Homophobia in the Church
+What is an Evangelical
+Why Evangelicals must think again
+A Prophet and the Establishment
+No Longer Welcome
+A Letter to an Old Friend
+Letter to Michael
+The Cruxifixion of Truth



+ BBC - Arch. Bishop Tutu Dec 17, 2007
+ MCC 1973 One God - Troy Perry
Rev Yap KH on Christian Dialog
+ Rev Mel White @ Safehaven 2007
+ Ordination of Rev. William R. Johnson, 1972
+ Peggy Campolo - Part 1
+ Peggy Campolo - Part 2
+ Jeremy Marks - Courage
+ Gene Robinson Interview
+ Rev Jay Bakker (son of Jimmy Bakker)

+ Pat Robertson attacking gays
+ BennyHinn on God destroying Gays
+ Jerry Falwell & James Dobson - 911
+Jerry Falwell on Andersons Cooper.
+Jerry Falwell on Larry King Life
+Jimmy Swaggart would kill a homosexual
+Ted Haggard on Sexuality
+Ted Haggard bashing gays

+Jimmy Swaggart affairs

+BBC - Gay Singapore (March 2000)

+ CBC The Politics of Plague July 6 1983 - Rev Falwell & Rev Troy Perry

 

 

 

 

 


men in Sodom succumbed to Homosexuality, 24 Feb 08

Homosexuality is far more rampant, militant and organised than most of us actually believe it to be. The battle lines are now drawn ' - Pastor Yang Tuck Yoong,Cornerstone Community Church, 23 July 2003

+Pastor Joseph Prince of NCC @ Sunday service - 20 May 2007 "If you are a nasty guy, you are a pondan. Read my lips, pondan". [Pondan = Gay in Malay]

+Pastor Joseph Prince - Gays finding new victims Pastor Prince 12 Sept 2002

+Pastor Derek Hong " - 19 Aug 07 - gays seeking "sepcial rights"

+Pastor Derek Hong - 19 Aug 2007 - Gay activists used by Satan -

+Pastor Derek Hong - 19 Aug 2007 - Gay activist to destroy the church

+Pastor Derek Hong of Church of Our Saviour - 19 Aug 2007 - Gays want to silence pro-family groups and religious organization

 

 


 

 

 

 

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